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Comments: Critique vs. Criticism

Journal Entry: Sat Jan 26, 2008, 2:49 PM
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Ok, guys. Rant journal coming up.

*First, I feel you guys should know my thoughts here. And I’m sorry if I offend anyone...but this really isn’t directed to anyone in particular, it’s just my opinion and I hope some of you will agree. :)

*Second, well, from now on, if people do not give a reason why they like a piece of my work in a comment, I am going to ask them why. ^_^ And sure, you might like the subject of the piece, but there is always more to it than that. If you +fav something just because ‘LOL IT’S MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER FROM ANIME’ then...sorry but wtf? O_o C’mon, shading, detail, background, anatomy, colours...there’s lots you can say, not only in a comment, but in your head. There’s always more to liking something that just the subject of it. ;D

Even something as simple as this is nice a thing to hear. The person tells me exactly what they like about the piece, so I feel proud of that part.

Admittedly, a comment like this is even nicer, as it goes far more in depth of the piece, even though it is still a short comment.

I love comments like these two mentioned, either way. Thanks guys! :heart:

The ones I dislike, are the one word ones, or comments on pictures which seem to have been faved just because they’re a wolf. Oh joy. :/

*Third...

MAIN RANT: CRITICISM AND CRITIQUE.

This is because of many comments I’ve had lately.

For example:

Wow, that’s nice but -thing- looks weird.
Cool, I like the -thing- but the -thing- looks really odd.

K, how nice for you.

But I honestly don’t care if you just write that. :)

It is CRITICISM.
AKA: Disapproval of the piece.

Not CRITIQUE.
AKA: A review of the piece, telling people how they can get better at some parts, how they’re improving at others, etc.

It’s annoying, most of the time, and very disrespectful. Not just to me, but to any other artist who receives a comment like that. You’re basically telling the artist ‘OH U SUCK LOLOLOL!!!.’

Yes, even if you’re polite about it and give a slightly positive remark within the comment, it is almost always taken the wrong way.

Why?

This is the internet, not real life. People only have text to go on, no expressions, tone of voice, nothing. Zip. Nadda.

The artist will most likely be rude to you if you place a criticising comment like this. I do not blame them, personally. So don’t get offended, just re-think what you wrote in the first place to cause this.

REMEMBER: We’re only responding. We didn’t write the bad comment to start with. ;P

I read *nestly’s journal (Here: [link]) today, particularly the part on ‘Non-Constructive Criticism

Now, I’m just going to copy/paste this, for those who are too lazy to find it on your own.

To avoid having an artist snap at you or get all defensive when you were trying to help, try following these three basic guidelines.

#1-For every negative comment, give two positive comments.

#2-Go into detail with your criticism! I know this may not seem like a good idea, but the more an artist knows how they could fix or make better they're art, the less they can get on your back about it, and understand where your coming from.

#3-Make sure you give helpful hints, if you have any. Before you say, "The hand looks bad." Try, "The hand looks a little off, maybe try pointing the fingers more and making it a little bigger?" Remember, this is the best way to help an artist and for them to notice you helping.


IF I DON’T KNOW WHY YOU THINK SOMETHING IS ODD, WEIRD OR OFF...

Then guess what.

I can’t do anything about it. :P

The same goes to everyone else. If they don’t know, they can’t change.

I care not, if you’re just trying to help. Because unless I can read that you’re trying to help, I will not be polite to you. Guaranteed. ;)

So please, if you have the time, do read ALL of *nestly’s journal.

OH AND ONE LAST THING! CHECK IF CRITIQUE IS WANTED BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE. THE DEVIATIONS I RECEIVED CRAP COMMENTS ON ALL HAVE ‘CRITIQUE NOT DESIRED’ ABOVE THE COMMENTS BOX. READING ISN’T DIFFICULT GUYS, SERIOUSLY.

You learn to read when you’re like...4. Or below. Luls.

And it’s only 3 words you gotta read. C’mon, people!

Use the skill, eh? It comes in handy, really. :D

K, thx for reading. I love you lots if you read all that. :heart:

That is all. Feel free to be all ‘LOL I H8 U’ at me. I need something/someone to laugh at right now. 8D

I assure you that if you abide by the things I have stated here and in *nestly’s journal, people will like you. Lots.

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~limizuki:iconlimizuki: Jan 26, 2008, 2:53:20 PM
I'm guilty... i leave crappy comments and i know it. Yet i know how you feel when people leave comments like "cool" i get that a lot and it drives me nutz....

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*Setsuna-phoenix:iconSetsuna-phoenix: Jan 26, 2008, 2:54:43 PM
Fair enough dear :aww: Ill try harder to critique your work in future ^^

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=bladebandit:iconbladebandit: Jan 26, 2008, 2:55:53 PM
Lol XDD;

I guess we just want to know exactly what people think is 'cool'. I mean, sure, I'm very grateful to recieve a comment, it's far nicer than just a fav alone. ^_^

It's just nice to know exactly why they faved/commented, so you can keep doing like...for example, eyes the same. ^.^

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=bladebandit:iconbladebandit: Jan 26, 2008, 2:57:04 PM
Oohhhh but your comments are lovely as they are. :3

However, if you see something that needs critique, and doesn't have a critique discouraged label on it, go for it 8D

But remember not to criticise! ;D

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~XDeadly-NightshadeX:iconXDeadly-NightshadeX: Jan 26, 2008, 2:58:27 PM
i understand what your getting at. completely, (and i must admit i agree with you on it too. )
Escpially the Why you do/dont like something, becuase if some one says "oh cool" you're obviously going to think that they havent really considered what theyre saying or why it's 'cool'.

Anyways I hope everyone listens (and i hope iv not done what youre ranting about, o__o but i cant remember doing so.. ) and ill go read Nestly's journal now. xD

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~limizuki:iconlimizuki: Jan 26, 2008, 2:59:32 PM
yeah. the ones who only fave also annoy me. it's like "nice to know you like it, but what about it do you like?" yeah comments are good, but i wish people could be at least a little more specific. sorry, i'm not real specific, i am just a horrible procrastinator...plus at the moment i can only really get online at school. There people bug you to get off the computers...

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*unicorn17ferret:iconunicorn17ferret: Jan 26, 2008, 3:02:07 PM
Never truer

D: I'll try to cut down on the horridly stark comments
~PearTizer:iconPearTizer: Jan 26, 2008, 3:03:00 PM
I'm sorry I leave lame comments sometimes xD I can never think of a god way to phrase it sometimes, and I think I have faved one or two peices without commenting, because I fail.

I'll try and write more intresting stuff, but it'll probibly end up sounding dumb :XD:
*nestly:iconnestly: Jan 26, 2008, 3:25:58 PM
Nestly: Hahah, I'm glad you liked my ranty journal! XD

And I don't mind that you used a snippet of mine. (Heaven knows you gave me enough credit. xD)
So that's your answer. :3 Sorry I'm too lazy to reply back to the note too, nyeheh.

And I read through this and it's pretty good. :3 Here's to a DeviantArt world of consructive criticism!

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~Manchy007:iconManchy007: Jan 26, 2008, 3:26:14 PM
I'm sometimes too lazy to write everything I like about the piece so I usually write some emotes that show just how much I love the piece or I just tell in general what I like. I write critique only when I know I can aka. when I see what's wrong and how it can be fixed (:

As much as I feel honored to get my work faved I'd rather see comments. I mean a fav is a fab thing but tell me why you like the piece and what captured your eye. Critiques are more than welcome as well!

And when commenting your works if I'm too lazy to write a comment I won't fav the piece either because I don't want to get bitten 8'D But usually I try to comment at my best, if I give a crappy comment I feel like I didn't let you know how much I love the piece=) Besides "Treat others like you wanna be treated":P

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